We'll get "NUKED: before the rest of the glaciers melt.

Cracks me up how people worry about climate change rather than the soldiers fighting for oil thAT AFFECTS THE CLIMATE; THE OIL REFINERIES IN iNDIANA...DROVE PAST THEM THE OTHER WEEK...NO WONDER MY MOM AND DAD's FRIENDS got cancer early in age in those areas.

We spew out more environmental waste that can't solve anything but a pin-hole in the sky. Factor in all of China, Iran, every country...all we have to look for is whether we ger "NUKED" by Iran for all the good deeds we did for the world. All we did was enable them and make us a crippled nation.

One nation can't do it all alone; it takes the whole world. Being we are a divided nation and world, just pray you survive the nuclear weapon war. All Obama did was draw more attention to his "power" and zap us out in no time. They do not like our leader. He doesn't even allow the press in on one of the most important meetings....what's he gotta hide? The transparency lie.

We're dying under our own pollution; who ya gonna blame? Take a ride by Gary's Steel Mills and tell me if that isn't in your water or in your ground...has to be...especially the stacks that are rotted iron steel mills deteriorated to the bone.

We're a half-azzed nation not tearing that un-used crap down, and revitalizing the lakefront..but long ago I was exposed to tons of dead fish in my 20s going to the Dunes. Stunk so bad, we never went back after high school. All of us at Thornridge can remember the dead fish piled up along the beach front. That was in the early 70s. (Ask Richardr Roeper, we knew each other and grew up in Dolton, same grades, same schools....). Everyone I know that lived near the steel mills or in Hegewish, died of cancer at an early age. I was told Hegewish had the highest rate of cancer....I could smell the air at night, a beautiful night...and had to shut the windows and turn on the A/C.

Pigeons starting shitting and squalling around the bottom basement porch, perched above on the roof out of the blue after living there from 98 to 2004. Never happened until 2004. Thank God I moved out. What I'm saying is, Chicago's Hegewisch neighborhood, EC and etc., is polluted and I don't think it's any different in Hammond..when I go to Michigan or go to Manhattan, IL, I smell nothing but fresh air and actually can't count the stars in the sky at night. Thesky is swarmed with twinkled stars. Here: no stars.

I'd say that's a wrap, but logic, reason, and evidence don't seem to have an effect on "skeptics".

Unsurprisingly to those with a functioning brain, yet another independent review vindicated those involved in the phony Climategate scandal:

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On the specific allegations made against the behaviour of CRU scientists, we find that their rigour and honesty as scientists are not in doubt. ... we did not find any evidence of behaviour that might undermine the conclusions of the IPCC assessments. ... But we do find that there has been a consistent pattern of failing to display the proper degree of openness On the allegation of withholding temperature data, we find that CRU was not in a position to withhold access to such data or tamper with it. ... On the allegation of biased station selection and analysis, we find no evidence of bias. ... We do not find that the way that data derived from tree rings is described and presented in IPCC AR4 and shown in its Figure 6.10 is misleading. ... On the allegations that there was subversion of the peer review or editorial process we find no evidence to substantiate this ... On the allegations that in two specific cases there had been a misuse by CRU scientists of the IPCC process, in presenting AR4 to the public and policy makers, we find that the allegations cannot be upheld

Fail, fail, fail, fail, fail... and fail some more. What is this... the third, fourth, fifth investigation that failed to find any conspiracy or deceit? How embarrassing. Or it should be embarrassing, but the "skeptics" that championed this as the End of Global Warming and Al Gore seem unable to show the least bit of humility. Never underestimate the power of denial. This whole fiasco was such an epic failure on their part that I wonder if it wasn't done on purpose by someone at the CRU to demonstrate that AGW "skeptics" are anything but (similar to that entirely fabricated, demonstrably false, and yet hilariously published study in a "skeptic" journal a few years back). "Wot? Massive conspiracy?! No proof?? Truth!! TRUTH!111!!! ALL LIES FOR MONIES!!!11" And it would have worked brilliantly if not for the spectacular failure of the press.

So close. So, so close...

Yeah. Well it sure doesn't look like things are going to get better....

GOP's Climate-Change Prober Thinks It's a "New World Order" Conspiracy

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Instead of legislation aimed at reducing the emissions of greenhouse gases in the United States, some leaders of the incoming GOP majority have called for McCarthy-style hearings going after leading climate change scientists, seeking to prove that the scientific findings that have been peer-reviewed and widely accepted were in fact manipulated to deceive the public. A centerpiece of such an investigation would be the hacked emails that became the debunked scandal called "Climategate" on the right.

Isn't that special? We not only will have two more years of inaction, but also get to watch a witch hunt against the scientific community.

Yeah, I keep hearing that. And China's laughing their asses off all the way to the bank. This story clearly describes the economic impact of our scientific denial.

I really think this lies solely at the feet of the GOP and their ridiculous kowtowing to the retarded creationists and climate deniers in their ranks. I almost wonder if a hearing would help... Clean house like they did with the morons in the Dover trial. Monckton vs. the Pentagon officials who've been dealing with the effects of climate change for the better part of a decade. Steve Milloy vs. members of the JASON defense advisory group. Thanks to deniers like BWG, we know Climategate is a completely fabricated controversy... The deniers would be forced to pick a narrative first. They'd have to decide first if it is happening (therefore excluding the Climategate "scandal") before they could trot out their explanation. Denying it's happening or trotting out a who's who list of conspiracy theorists would ruin them. It's volcanoes, or the sun, or water vapor, or aliens, or Al Gore's beard, etc. Yes; just as embarrassing as Dover.

As if the first go 'round wasn't embarrassing enough. Apparently there's been another round of released emails from the hacking incident two years ago, released in time to attempt to seed doubt into the next climate conference.

Note: this isn't new information. It's still stuff that is at least two years old, and that's if it was recent when the hackers got a hold of it.

I can't imagine the amount of stupidity left to believe this kind of stuff, especially in light of the recent industry funded study demonstrating climate change to be a real and worrisome phenomenon, but facts never seem to matter to Republicans anymore.

So anyway, on with the show. I recommend reading the original article. There's quite a few links in it that I was just too lazy to reproduce here:

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The Real Climategate An ambulance pulls up behind you. You know it’s an ambulance because you can read AMBULANCE in your rear view mirror. But you can also read it when you look at the vehicle directly; because the human visual system has the ability to quickly correct complete inversions or left-right reversals of letters. In fact, a complete inversion is easier to read than letters that are rotated only partially. This human ability to process complete inversions more quickly than just partial distortions, alas, lends itself to exploitation by ruthless propagandists who seek to create a chimerical world in which up is down, left is right, and good is smeared as evil. Nowhere is this more apparent than in the netherworld of attacks on climate scientists. Remember “climategate”? The illegal hack of personal emails released just before the Copenhagen climate conference in 2009 that some columnists pronounced to be the (approximately 132nd) “final nail in the coffin” of global warming? Remember the “errors” in the IPCC’s 2007 report? “Amazongate”, “Himalayagate”, and so on? What has happened to “climategate”? What’s happened is this. First, the UK Parliament’s Science and Technology Committee exonerated the scientist at the centre of the tempest, Professor Phil Jones, finding he has “no case to answer” and that his reputation “remains intact.” Then Lord Oxburgh (former chairman of Shell-UK) and his panel likewise exonerated the researchers, finding their “work has been carried out with integrity, and that allegations of deliberate misrepresentation” are “not valid.” Another enquiry, chaired by Sir Muir Russell, found the scientists’ “rigour and honesty” to be beyond doubt. Two enquiries by his university also cleared Professor Michael Mann – who presented the first of now innumerable “hockey stick” graphs – of all allegations. Ultimately the (conservative) UK Government concluded “the information contained in the illegally-disclosed emails does not provide any evidence to discredit … anthropogenic climate change.” Not one, not two, but by now nine vindications. This comes as no surprise to anyone with even a passing familiarity with the distinction between private chat and public actions. And what has happened to the IPCC “Whatevergates”? What’s happened is this. First, the Sunday Times apologised and retracted its “Amazongate” story. There is no “Amazongate”; there is only the Amazon rainforest threatened by climate change. Then the Dutch government accepted responsibility for erroneously informing the IPCC that 55% of the Netherlands are below sea level. In fact only 26% are at risk of flooding because they are below sea level, whereas the other 29% are, err, at risk of flooding from rivers. And about a year after “climategate” broke, the BBC finally apologised to the University of East Anglia for its misleading coverage of the “climategate” pseudo-scandal. All that’s left of the “Whatevergates”, therefore, is red-faced apologies and one indubitable IPCC error: the incorrect projection of the disappearance of Himalayan glaciers to 2035, as opposed to the more likely 2350. This error was drawn to the public’s attention by, wait for it, an IPCC author. Can we now forget about “gate” in connection with “climate”? No. Because there are too many real climategates that must not escape attention. First, there was another batch of private emails posted by the Competitive Enterprise Institute, a “think” tank notorious even by American standards. Those emails — yes, a second hack — revealed the real climategate by being truthful, with one scientist stating: “Those who deny the biophysical facts of the world would deny … gravity” and “we’re not in a gentlepersons' debate, we’re in a street fight against … merciless enemies. Colleagues … are getting threatened with prosecution by … [US Senator James M.] Inhofe.” That is the second real climategate: the McCarthyite attempts by Senator Inhofe to criminalise climate scientists — attempts to criminalise those who, 35 years ago, predicted the temperature rise by century’s end to within 1/10th of a degree. This is no isolated incident: Virginia’s Attorney General, Ken Cuccinelli, has launched several frivolous lawsuits — despite losing an earlier one — against the University of Virginia in what the Washington Post called a “war on the freedom of academic inquiry"“. And Nobel Laureate Paul Krugman evoked Pastor Niemoeller’s cry against the erosion of humanity under the Nazis: “First, they came for the climate scientists…”. The real climategate involves active censorship within NASA by Bush appointees, which the agency’s Inspector General later found to have “reduced, marginalized, or mischaracterized climate change science". The real climategate involves Bush White House staff replacing assessments of the National Academy of Sciences with a discredited paper by two individuals with no expertise in climatology. This paper, funded by the American Petroleum Institute, was so flawed its appearance in a peer-reviewed journal led to the resignation in protest by three editors and the publisher’s unprecedented acknowledgement of mishandling. Those are not merely historical episodes because the real climategate encompasses the ongoing complicity of some media organs. In Canada, the real media climategate involves the ongoing list of defamatory articles by the “National Post.” The tabloid is finally being sued by Professor Andrew Weaver of the University of Victoria. In Australia, the real media climategate involves the national daily newspaper, whose misrepresentations of science are legendary and, sadly ongoing. Those real climategates are the tip of an iceberg of venality enveloping anti-science interests and their enablers. And just a few hours ago, another illegal release of personal emails among scientists was dumped on to the world in the lead-up to the next climate conference in Durban. First Copenhagen, now Durban. When the science is so rock solid that it can no longer be reasonably doubted, all that is left is to steal private correspondence in a desperate attempt to disparage those who are trying to protect the world from the risks it is facing. Joseph Welch famously brought down Joe McCarthy with a simple question: “Have you no sense of decency?” This year has already witnessed multiple events that break climate records: the drought in East Africa, the worst drought in Texas' recorded history, and record breaking storms and floods in the US south. Those events, anticipated by climatologists decades ago, should remind us that those who persecute and harass scientists, or mendaciously misrepresent their actions and findings, have no sense of decency. That is the real climategate.