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paul87920

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 | Subject: Bring Your Son To Work? Naw! Bring y'alls guns to work! 3/19/2010, 7:53 am | |
| Bring Your Guns! | Quote: | | In that incident, a state employee, reportedly upset by a poor job performance review, got a gun from his car and shot out an office window allegedly trying to kill his supervisor. Edgar Tillery, 60, of Portage, has been charged with attempted murder and criminal recklessness. |
Yeah bringing your gun to work seems like a great idea...
I'm all for people having their guns, but why can't a business decide whether or not they want you to bring your gun on their property?
| Quote: | | The new law does allow some workplaces to continue to prohibit guns in cars, including schools, colleges and universities, child care facilities, emergency shelters, homes for the developmentally disabled, prisons, federal buildings, homeland security sites and utility companies. |
Why do these places deserve special protection? |
|  | | Artie60438

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 | Subject: Re: Bring Your Son To Work? Naw! Bring y'alls guns to work! 3/19/2010, 9:35 am | |
| Unbelievable,isn't it Paul? Imagine someone bringing a gun to BP or the mill where there are tons of highly flammable materials and having it discharge accidentally,or worse yet an employee that just flips out and decides to cause as much damage as they can.  |
|  | | paul87920

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 | Subject: Re: Bring Your Son To Work? Naw! Bring y'alls guns to work! 3/19/2010, 10:50 am | |
| | Artie60438 wrote: | Unbelievable,isn't it Paul? Imagine someone bringing a gun to BP or the mill where there are tons of highly flammable materials and having it discharge accidentally,or worse yet an employee that just flips out and decides to cause as much damage as they can.  |
That would be awful. Not to mention that my father and brother both work for a safety/rescue company that often sends them out to both the mills and BP. |
|  | | Heretic

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 | Subject: Re: Bring Your Son To Work? Naw! Bring y'alls guns to work! 3/19/2010, 12:43 pm | |
| I don't know. I'm kinda... meh... on the issue.
I think they should be able to dictate whether or not one is carried on the job, but that's about it. But I'm kinda tainted by personal experience. I had a friend that was being sexually harassed (and physically threatened once it was reported) at work, and one of the ways the supervisor went after this individual was by reporting them for leaving a (necessary) firearm in their vehicle.
It was an easy way for a supervisor to harass (or re-victimize) their subordinates.
But like I said, I'm biased. |
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 | Subject: Re: Bring Your Son To Work? Naw! Bring y'alls guns to work! 3/19/2010, 3:46 pm | |
| | paul87920 wrote: | | Quote: | | The new law does allow some workplaces to continue to prohibit guns in cars, including schools, colleges and universities, child care facilities, emergency shelters, homes for the developmentally disabled, prisons, federal buildings, homeland security sites and utility companies. |
Why do these places deserve special protection? |
Federal law, except for the utilities and colleges/universities. The colleges/universities are exempted because state law allows them to dictate their own policies. I have no idea why utilities are exempt.
A more important part of the law is the section that disallows confiscation of firearms from law-abiding citizens during an "emergency" |
|  | | UrRight
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 | Subject: Re: Bring Your Son To Work? Naw! Bring y'alls guns to work! 3/19/2010, 10:31 pm | |
| Kind of scary, considering how the economy is and recent history.
I'm all for our rights but the first thing that came to mind was "Road Rage". Oh goodness if they just reach for that gun and shoot ya, cuz you are going 45 at Riley Street on the Borman, and as usual, the cars and trucks are hugging your bumpers, honking, wanting you to move faster...it makes me so nervous going through that strip where that poor construction worker got killed.
Since last summer, even though I am abiding by the rules of the road, I almost got killed abiding by them.
I can't imagine if the wrong trucker who flips me the finger and other truckers join in blocking me and cars wanting to surpass me at the speed limit, giving me the gun shot instead of the birdie. I just want to know why those cops aren't undercover sitting by...even during the morning and afternoon and seeing for themselves how people surpass the speed limit.
They are just as much a threat to me as that poor guy that got killed. We need the state police near Riley to evidence what i AM SAYING. I knew it was just a matter of time, cuz I was obeying the limits, yet cars and trucks were going 80 miles an hour. I always assumed their would be an undercover in the workers' van to receive a message from another cop that someone is speeding.
Not in INDIANA. I almost get killed every time I have to go to Michigan, even when no workers are present, they can kill me not slowing down to the posted speed limit.
Often wondered why the Indiana State Police are not there, undercovered...like IL. I am so scared going through that portion by Riley Street. The vehicles are willing to kill me for abiding by the speed limit.
Check it out STATE POLICE. Often wondered where you are. They don't slow down there. Especially if it's they see no workers. That's how bad it is. I cringe going through that barreled down Ripley Street portion. Never see a cop. I almost got snipped by a hair by some crazy truck driver...had I not been alert, I would have been dead. You see, they are probably illegals that don't use signals, cut over, and don't know the rules of the road, because otherwise, I wouldn't be here to tell you.
It was the God looking over me and a split second of that ignorant truck driver amost making me crash sidew way in his truck, cuz he didn't use a signal, and came upon those barrels at a split of a second.
What saved me was driving less than 45 mph, cuz I couldn't drive any faster, but this big old semi thought otherwise. Had I been driving 45, I wouldn't be here. I had to utilize his judgement, along with my own.
Suggestion: pUT COPS IN THE VANS TO PROTECT THE WORKERS AND TO PROTECT PEOPLE WHO RESPECT THE SPEED LIMIT.
IL does it...Riley calls for it. Undercover cops to see how fast those idiots drive even when those guys are off duty. You would not believe it. |
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 | Subject: Re: Bring Your Son To Work? Naw! Bring y'alls guns to work! 3/20/2010, 7:15 am | |
| You do realize that Indiana is a "shall issue" state and has been for some time now? The scenario you brought up about road rage would be totally unaffected by this law as the citizens of this state have the right to carry firearms. As a matter of fact, a licensed citizen can openly carry his or her firearm if they so choose. The fears of shootouts in the street have been brought up time and time again and they have never happened. At least not with licensed individuals, and the criminals are gonna do it anyway. |
|  | | KarenT
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 | Subject: Re: Bring Your Son To Work? Naw! Bring y'alls guns to work! 3/20/2010, 7:50 am | |
| If you drive less than 45 on an expressway, hubby would probably flip you off too. Take another highway, 6 or 12 into Michigan, for heaven's sake. |
|  | | UrRight
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 | Subject: Re: Bring Your Son To Work? Naw! Bring y'alls guns to work! 3/20/2010, 7:52 pm | |
| | KarenT wrote: | | If you drive less than 45 on an expressway, hubby would probably flip you off too. Take another highway, 6 or 12 into Michigan, for heaven's sake. |
Karen, traffic was merging...slowed down. Even though the speed limit is 45 mph, it was merging into one lane at Riley last winter. Workers were present. A semi was going so fast, he had to almost clip me or ram into the barrels.
If it is on a day or weekend where no workers are present, you still have to drive the minimum 45 mph.
You can sit as a cop on the side and tkt all day long.
Just because workers are not present, I don't think semi's from out of state, or in state, drivers out or in state realize you must abide by the 45 mph.
In my case, workers were present, traffic was slowing down to less than 45 mph, and we had to slowly merge. So I could not possibly drive the allowed speed limit even if I wanted to and I swear that semi missed my front end by a fraction of a second, speeding ahead...almost ramming the car in front because he had to suddenly brake. I allow at least a good space of 2 cars ahead of me, in case there is an accident. I would then have time to stop in time.
I'm talking about abiding the speed limit at Riley where the guy got killed. It's a death trap with semis and speeding cars who just don't care. They know the state isn't sending undercovers in vans video taping them or getting info beforehand from a cruiser to pull it over as they do in IL.
On days when there are no workers around, they go 70 - 80 mph on weekends.Even though the rules of the road are you are to maintain the maximum of 45 mph only whether workers are present or not. |
|  | | UrRight
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 | Subject: Re: Bring Your Son To Work? Naw! Bring y'alls guns to work! 3/20/2010, 8:00 pm | |
| I'm referring to the Riley Street construction where it merged - what am I to do if the car is going 30 in front of me? Go 45 and ram his azz? Kill a construction worker?
I drive 70 when it says 70. I abide by the laws. When it says 45 "Kill a Worker, you pay X in fines and imprisonment," you are saying I should get flipped, although some stupid truck driver exceeded the limit and risked flipping my car over to avoid hitting the barrels? |
|  | | KarenT
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 | Subject: Re: Bring Your Son To Work? Naw! Bring y'alls guns to work! 3/20/2010, 9:05 pm | |
| I wasn't following you - it sounded like you were driving 45 on an expressway. I missed the part where you talked about merging in your original post. My point was that driving with traffic is usually safer than being a moving traffic cone. |
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